Fr. Abe with Franz Luigi Lugena in the TV Program The Splendor of the Church

Fr. Abe with Franz Luigi Lugena in the TV Program The Splendor of the Church

[Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/bishop-deadly-typhoon-means-god-opposes-reproductive-rights]

 

Ang bobo ng nagpaskil nito. Wala namang sinabi ang obispo na yung bagyo eh dahil sa RH Bill eh. Litaw nyo aktwal na statement nung obispo. Di yung puro kayo propaganda. Sabagay sa atheistic worldview, hindi naman kasalanan magsinungaling kaya puro panloloko modus ng mga atheista dito.

 

[Shakaru Macht: Hmmm… It seems that if you have a “GOD” then you’re moral… Morality and ethics are derived from observation and empathy, not from some claim of divinity… By the way, I’m no atheist, yet have seen some atheists being driven by morals… There are atheists opposing abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage and even divorce…]

 

But there are also atheists who pushed for abortions, euthanasia, same sex marriage, and divorce. Proof that everything is permitted in atheism. Whether you are for or against it doesn’t make any difference in atheism. Everything is permitted in atheistic worldview. Christianity on the other hand is very clear on its teaching. It proscribes rape, abortion, euthanasia, same sex marriage, etc. In atheism, it permits everything, even the rape of about 2 million German women at the close of WWII or the massacre of civilians in Cambodia, China, and Russia because morality in atheism is subjective. With regards to your statement that morality is derived from observation and empathy, this proves my assertion that morality in atheism is subjective. So man now decides what is good and bad depending on his view and what he feels on a given situation. You may argue that rape is wrong. But how about other atheist who thinks that rape is not bad? Who among you speaks for atheism on the issue of rape then? So morality in atheism is just based on individual beliefs. Truth becomes relative. That’s the reason for all the madness in this world.

 

Shakaru Macht: Oh, do you know PEDOPHILES USUALLY DON’T THINK RAPE IS BAD??? In fact, many people of all stripes (includes so-called “Christians”) claim there’s no such thing as MARITAL RAPE!!!

 

You’re wrong on the atheistic worldview… That’s OVER-GENERALIZATION… Many, if not most atheists, are driven by OBJECTIVE MORALS… Whereas, your Catholic Church is generally more subjective… (That’s why it drifted away from Jesus’s teachings… Same happened with other so-called “Christians” as well…)

 

Well, if your so-called “God” commanded MURDER in the battlefield – during the Crusades – for the defense of (FAKE) “Faith”…

 

Shakaru Macht: Belief in GOD is NOT NECESSARY for morality… Look at your statement: “With regards to your statement that morality is derived from observation and empathy, this proves my assertion that morality in atheism is subjective. So man now decides what is good and bad depending on his view and what he feels on a given situation.”

 

Don’t Christians also apply that??? If your priest or pastor has been found doing heinous FELONIES – WILL YOU CALL FOR THEIR CONVICTION FOR LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT PAROLE??? Let’s see if so-called “Christians” today would have objective morals…

 

Besides, do you need a “God” for you to observe things and events today???

 

[Shakaru Macht: Oh, do you know PEDOPHILES USUALLY DON’T THINK RAPE IS BAD??? In fact, many people of all stripes (includes so-called “Christians”) claim there’s no such thing as MARITAL RAPE!!!]

 

That’s the problem of atheism. Pedophile atheists think that rape is not bad, while other atheists think it is. Who among them speaks officially for atheism? None. So when it comes to atheism, anything goes. Everything is permitted. Now I don’t deny that there are Christians who engaged in rape. But their actions are contrary to the teachings of the Church. In other words, they disobeyed the Church. So you can’t make a similar case against the Church.

 

[Shakaru Macht: You’re wrong on the atheistic worldview… That’s OVER-GENERALIZATION… Many, if not most atheists, are driven by OBJECTIVE MORALS… Whereas, your Catholic Church is generally more subjective… (That’s why it drifted away from Jesus’s teachings… Same happened with other so-called “Christians” as well…)]

 

Saying that everything is permitted in atheism is not over generalization. That’s a fact. As Dostoyevsky said, “If God is not, everything is permitted.” You may be against abortion and same sex marriage but there are many godless people pushing for abortion and same sex marriage. You can’t deny that. So everything is permitted in atheism.

 

You talked about OBJECTIVE MORALS, my question is where do you get your OBJECTIVE MORALS?

 

And you have not provided evidence that the Church drifted from the teachings of Christ. As far as I know, the Church is founded by Christ [Mat16:18] and He is with His Church to the end of the age. [Mat28:20]

 

[Shakaru Macht: Well, if your so-called “God” commanded MURDER in the battlefield – during the Crusades – for the defense of (FAKE) “Faith”…]

 

There is no murder because this is war. The adversary is also armed and well aware of the Crusades. The Crusades are done to prevent further destruction of religious sites, prevent oppression of the faithful by Muslims, and lastly, to have access to Jerusalem which was cut off by Muslims when they occupied the area. These are valid reasons to go to war. Had the Muslims treated Christians fairly and respected religious sites in Jerusalem, there would be no Crusades. And the fact that Christians are willing to lay their life for the faith means that the faith is not fake as you asserted. Maybe you are afraid to die for your atheism because it is just a fad and there is no truth in it, but Christians across history, died for the faith because they know it is true.

 

[Shakaru Macht: Belief in GOD is NOT NECESSARY for morality… Look at your statement: “With regards to your statement that morality is derived from observation and empathy, this proves my assertion that morality in atheism is subjective. So man now decides what is good and bad depending on his view and what he feels on a given situation.”]

 

So if there is no God, where do you get your OBJECTIVE MORALS?

 

[Shakaru Macht: Don’t Christians also apply that??? If your priest or pastor has been found doing heinous FELONIES – WILL YOU CALL FOR THEIR CONVICTION FOR LIFE IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT PAROLE??? Let’s see if so-called “Christians” today would have objective morals…]

 

But you evaded the basis for the conviction. Why convict a person who committed rape? It is because that’s just how you feel? What if others don’t share the same feelings as yours? Who among you has the moral authority to decide on this issue? Rape is evil not because you feel against it, or the law prohibits it, but because rape first and foremost is against God’s will. Now this idea is communicated to us through the Church which influenced our jurisprudence that’s why nowadays we have laws prohibiting rape. In atheistic Darwinian evolution, there is no concept of rape being a sin. Rape is an adaptation of male species to ensure the perpetuation of one’s genes and for sexual gratification. Christianity is first to condemn rape than atheism. That’s a fact.

 

[Shakaru Macht: Besides, do you need a “God” for you to observe things and events today???]

 

Of course.

 

Proverbs 20:12

THE HEARING EAR AND THE SEEING EYE, THE LORD HASMADE THEM BOTH.

 

If there is no God, how can I see? The eye is a complex biological mechanism. It is not just a product of chance, it has a maker. Look at the case of a clock. You can’t just say that metals and other materials just assembled among themselves by pure chance to become a clock. The sheer complexity and sophistication of the clock mechanism cries for the existence of a maker. Just as a clock has a maker, so is the human eye. God created the human eye.

 

Miguel Cuco del Gallego: Instead of blaming the RH advocates for the typhoon, why not spend a couple of millions from your dividends from Philex and or BPI to help the typhoon victims.

 

[Miguel Cuco del Gallego: Instead of blaming the RH advocates for the typhoon, why not spend a couple of millions from your dividends from Philex and or BPI to help the typhoon victims.]

 

Don’t you know that the Church has already sold its shares in Philex to Pangilinan when said company failed to uphold responsible mining. The Church did it despite the rising stocks of Philex entailing high opportunity cost. It’s in the news. Read it first before opening your trap to cavil against the Church. With regards to your demand that the Church should help typhoon victims, that’s exactly what the Church is doing:

 

“CATHOLIC RELIEF AGENCIES ARE WORKING TO HELP VICTIMS OF TYPHOON BOPHA, the strongest storm to hit the Philippines this year.

 

Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu said the PHILIPPINES BISHOPS’ CONFERENCE HAS MOBILIZED SOCIAL ACTION CENTERS IN THE 86 DIOCESES IN THE COUNTRY, according to CBCP News.”

Link: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/catholic-agencies-work-to-help-philippines-typhoon-victims/

 

On the other hand, what are you doing for the typhoon victims? Or are you just a typical outsider whining atheist who is so concern about the sufferings of the others but live comfortably and doing nothing? Let’s compare what you and your group did with what the Church is doing for the typhoon victims. Let’s see who is really doing more for the poor and the afflicted.

 

[Shakaru Macht: Oh thanks. Well, next agenda must be JAIL THE PEDOPHILE PRIESTS!!!]

 

Indeed jail pedophile priests. In the same manner that we should jail pedophile atheists.

 

Antonio Victor Andrada Hilario: Exactly. Pedophile priests are still citizens, and ought to be subject to the same laws; `di uubra ang ‘ipasa-Dios na lang ito’, o sa appeal to ‘Christian forgiveness, fortitude, charity,’ whatever. And decent common sense, instead of that totally inappropriate and crass interpretation of natural disaster being a political bellwether courtesy of God.

 

[Antonio Victor Andrada Hilario: Exactly. Pedophile priests are still citizens, and ought to be subject to the same laws;]

 

Who said that priests who committed pedophilia should be exempt by law from prosecution? The point is, pedophiles should be prosecuted. That includes atheist pedophiles.

 

[Antonio Victor Andrada Hilario: `di uubra ang ‘ipasa-Dios na lang ito’, o sa appeal to ‘Christian forgiveness, fortitude, charity,’ whatever.]

 

No. We forgive but the law must be followed. Pedophiles whether priests or atheists must be prosecuted and jailed.

 

[Antonio Victor Andrada Hilario: And decent common sense, instead of that totally inappropriate and crass interpretation of natural disaster being a political bellwether courtesy of God.]

 

Then show the exact statement of the Bishop Pabillo attributing the typhoon to the passage of the RH bill into law. Post it here so we can determine whether your accusation is true or not.

 

Jessa Herrera: Isipin nalang ntn .. BKT NSA NASA 3RD WORLD COUNTRY PA DIN TAU NA PINAKAMAHIRAP NA BANSA?? kung tutuusin mayaman ang bansa ntn sa natural resources??? compare sa KOREA at JAPAN ??? kasi MY MGA PAKIALAMERONG mga PARI na NAGTUTURO kuno ng SALITA NG DIOS pero mga MANYAKIS !! at dapat hiwalay ang cmbahan sa pulitiko !!

 

Jessa Herrera: si MARTIN LUTHER nalang ..na deboto katoliko !! bkt tumiwalag ??? kasi nalaman nya ang baho ng cmbahang katoliko !!

 

[Jessa Herrera: Isipin nalang ntn .. BKT NSA NASA 3RD WORLD COUNTRY PA DIN TAU NA PINAKAMAHIRAP NA BANSA??]

 

Aba’y kasalanan yan ng mga corrupt na pulitiko. Bakit mo sisisihin ang Simbahan eh hindi naman sila ang namamahala sa Gobyerno.

 

[Jessa Herrera: kung tutuusin mayaman ang bansa ntn sa natural resources??? compare sa KOREA at JAPAN ??? ]

 

Mayaman nga tayo sa natural resources, marami naman satin ang ganid sa pera kaya sinisira ang kalikasan na pambansang patrimonya para sa sariling interes katulong ang mga corrupt na pulitiko. Simbahan ang malakas na boses na kumukontra sa pang aabuso sa kalikasan. Yung mga gaya mo wala namang ginagawa. Puro lang ngawa. Mahiya ka naman.

 

[Jessa Herrera: kasi MY MGA PAKIALAMERONG mga PARI na NAGTUTURO kuno ng SALITA NG DIOS pero mga MANYAKIS !!]

 

May mga pari na manyak, gaya rin naman na may mga pastor protestante at atheista na manyak rin. Bakit ibubuhos mo sisi sa Simbahan eh yung tinutukoy mong manyak na pari sumuway sa turo ng Simbahan kaya naging manyak? You’re barking at the wrong dog. Kung tutuusin, mas talamak kaso ng mga manyak na pastor protestante at atheista kasi pwede silang mag asawa pero naging manyak pa rin.

 

Tsaka ano naman kinalaman ng pagiging manyak sa pagkaubos at pagkasira ng natural resources at paghihirap ng Pilipinas? Sige nga ipaliwanag mo. Non sequitur yung mga argumento mo eh. Yung premises mo hindi tugma sa konklusyon. Sobrang hagod naman nyan na ibunton mo buong sisi sa Simbahan. Di ata abot ng utak mo na napakalaki ng kontribusyon ng Simbahan sa kaunlaran ng lipunang Pilipino. Kahit saan ka tumingin laging may kontribusyon ang Simbahan: edukasyon, arkitektura, public works, agrikultura, literatura, public health, agham at teknolohiya. Mga atheista at protestante halos walang kontribusyon. Mga “Johnny come lately” pero kung umasta kala mo sila nagtayo ng Pilipinas.

 

[Jessa Herrera: at dapat hiwalay ang cmbahan sa pulitiko !!]

 

Natural. Separation of Church and State. Pero sa mga bagay o isyu na may dimensyong moral, may karapatan at tungkulin ang Simbahan na ihayag kung ano ang tama. Woe unto them if they don’t preach the Gospel. [1 Cor 9:16] Ang modus nyo, patahimikin ang Simbahan para mamonopolyo nyo ang public discourse. Mali yan.

 

[Jessa Herrera: si MARTIN LUTHER nalang ..na deboto katoliko !! bkt tumiwalag ??? kasi nalaman nya ang baho ng cmbahang katoliko !!]

 

Bakit kamo tumiwalag si Martin Luther? Eh di tanungin natin ang bibliya:

 

1 Juan 2:18-19

18 Mumunting mga anak, ito ang huling oras: at gaya ng inyong narinig na darating ang anticristo, KAHIT NGAYON AY LUMITAW ANG MARAMI NANG ANTICRISTO; kaya nga nalalaman natin na ito na ang huling oras.

19 SILA’Y NANGAGSILABAS SA ATIN, NGUNI’T SILA’Y HINDI SA ATIN; SAPAGKA’T KUNG SILA’Y SA ATIN NAGSIPANATILI SANA SA ATIN:NGUNI’T NANGAGSILABAS, UPANG MAHAYAG NA SILANG LAHAT AY HINDI SA ATIN.

 

Sabi sa bibliya, kaya nangagsilabas sa Simbahan ang mga gaya ni Luther ay upang mahayag siya na hindi talaga siya sa Simbahan dahil anticristo siya.

 

Shakaru Macht: Hmmm… Anticristo po ba ang tawag mo sa nag-protesta laban sa indulhensya???

 

Shakaru Macht: And besides, hindi po ako naniniwala sa STRICT SEPARATION OF RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT… Instead, BOTH MUST REINFORCE FREEDOM, EQUALITY AND MORALITY… Halimbawa, dapat the Church must wait for the AGE OF REASON for decisions on COMPLEX THINGS such as whether to join a religion… Iba po ang pagpili ng pangalan sa PAGPILI NG RELIGION…

 

Jessa Herrera: i dont need to waste my time to a close minded, profound person like you ..  i know ur kind ..  i dont need to go on details .. basahin m buong bible saka m sbhn skn yn .. TEST THE SPIRIT IF THEY ARE FROM GOD .. nakakalimutan m ata .. lht or halos karamihan ng pulitiko n nsa government ay katoliko ??  ISA LANG NAMAN BASEHAN JAN EH .. MAY NABAGO BA SA BUHAY MO??  reflect reflect din sa buhay m ..  ako aminado ako di ako perpekto .. but i’m trying my best ..

 

Jessa Herrera: sabihin mo sakin kung mismong may nabanggit na KATOLIKO sa bible ah ??  GOOD day ..  and i repeat .. i dont need to stoop at your level .. CLOSE MINDED and PROFOUND ..

 

[Shakaru Macht: Hmmm… Anticristo po ba ang tawag mo sa nag-protesta laban sa indulhensya???]

 

Hindi indulhensya ang prinotesta ni Luther kundi yung simony o pagbebenta sa indulhensya na ginawa nung iilang abusadong lider ng Simbahan. Get your facts straight. Kahit Simbahan eh tutol din sa simony:

 

CCC#2118

God’s first commandment condemns the main sins of irreligion: tempting God, in words or deeds, sacrilege, AND SIMONY.

 

Hindi ang pagtutol sa simony nagiging anti Cristo ang tao. Ang Anti Cristo yun yung mga lumabas sa Simbahan upang siraan ang Simbahang tatag ni Cristo. Yun ang sabi ng bibliya eh:

 

1 Juan 2:18-19

18 Mumunting mga anak, ito ang huling oras: at gaya ng inyong narinig na darating ang anticristo, kahit ngayon ay lumitaw ang marami nang anticristo; kaya nga nalalaman natin na ito na ang huling oras.

19 Sila’y nangagsilabas sa atin, nguni’t sila’y hindi sa atin; sapagka’t kung sila’y sa atin ay nagsipanatili sana sa atin: nguni’t nangagsilabas, upang sila’y mahayag na silang lahat ay hindi sa atin.

 

Sabi ng talata: “Sila’y nangagsilabas sa atin, nguni’t sila’y hindi sa atin.” Yan ang mga anticristo. Eh lumabas si Martin Luther, eh di antiCristo siya.

 

[Shakaru Macht: And besides, hindi po ako naniniwala sa STRICT SEPARATION OF RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT… Instead, BOTH MUST REINFORCE FREEDOM, EQUALITY AND MORALITY… Halimbawa, dapat the Church must wait for the AGE OF REASON for decisions on COMPLEX THINGS such as whether to join a religion… Iba po ang pagpili ng pangalan sa PAGPILI NG RELIGION…]

 

Impraktikal yang gusto mong mangyari. Habang ang bata eh hindi pa sumasapit legal age, magulang ang nagde-desisyon sa bata. Both in complex and simple things. Magulang ang pumipili ng ngalan ng bata, ng paaralan na papasukan ng bata, ng damit na isusuot, ng kakainin sa araw-araw, at lahat ng bagay ukol sa bata para lumaki siyang mabuti at matino. Syempre kasama dyan ang pagtuturo sa bata ng pananampalataya. Bilang Kristyano, may obligasyon ang mga magulang na palakihing mabubuting Kristyano ang mga anak nila. At magsisimula yun sa bawtismo. Alangan namang hayaan nilang lumaking walang Diyos ang bata. Ipaparis mo pa sayo. lolz

 

Ngayon, kapag malaki na ang bata at nasa hustong gulang na eh di siya na ang magdesisyon sa buhay niya. Pero habang nasa poder ng magulang yung bata, susunod yung bata sa magulang niya. Very basic yan sa lipunan. Ikaw naman gusto mong baguhin. Sino kang atheista ka para sundin namin?

 

Shakaru Macht Kaya nga ang sabi ko FORMATION ANG KELANGAN, Hindi yung bautismo… Para saan ang bautismo kung wala namang dapat pagsisihan in the first place??? At saka hindi ba ni-rerecognize naman ng Iglesya mo na merong catechumens, yung mga sumusunod sa Iglesia at nais mabinyagan ngunit hindi pa talaga nabinyagan???

 

FORMATION FIRST BEFORE BAPTISM… Ganun naman ang nangyari noong sinauna hindi ba… (Gusto mo pala ang tradition ha, ba’t hindi mo ipatupad iyon???)

 

[Jessa Herrera: @zan .. i dont need to waste my time to a close minded, profound person like you .. i know ur kind .. i dont need to go on details ..]

 

Yan ang tipikal na palusot ng mga atheista at mga di binyagan kapag nasusukol sa argumento. Kitang-kita na supalpal ka sa diskusyon kaya ka nagkakaganyan. Di mo naman napasubalian mga argumento ko. Ke hilig mong manira sa Simbahan ngayong sinasagot ka sa mga akusasyon mo eh tumatakbo ka naman. Eh di lumitaw tuloy yung katangahan mo.

 

[Jessa Herrera: basahin m buong bible saka m sbhn skn yn .. TEST THE SPIRIT IF THEY ARE FROM GOD ..]

 

That’s why I tested you and you are found wanting. Mahilig kang manira sa Simbahan kapag sinagot ka naman tatakbo ka. Modus ng mga talunan yan eh. Lolz

 

Oh nasan na yung sagot mo sa tanong ko kung anong kaugnayan ng pagiging sex maniac sa pagkasira at pagkaubos ng likas na yaman ng bansa? Tinakbuhan mo yan kasi mahahayag katangahan mo.

 

[Jessa Herrera: nakakalimutan m ata .. lht or halos karamihan ng pulitiko n nsa government ay katoliko ??]

 

Eh ano ngayon kung karamihan sa mga pulitiko eh katoliko? Bakit dogma ba ng Simbahan na mangurakot sa kaban ng bayan? Patunayan mo na yung pangungurakot eh alinsunod sa aral ng Simbahan. Nakalimutan mo ata na yung mga taong tinutukoy mong pulitiko eh nakapangurakot IN DISOBEDIENCE to the Church. Ibig sabihin, di nila sinasabuhay ang katuruan ng Simbahan kaya sila nakagawa ng ganun. So bakit mo sisisihin ang Simbahan? Tuliro na utak mo kaya hirap kang umintindi. lolz

 

[Jessa Herrera: ISA LANG NAMAN BASEHAN JAN EH .. MAY NABAGO BA SA BUHAY MO?? reflect reflect din sa buhay m .. ako aminado ako di ako perpekto .. but i’m trying my best ..]

 

Malaki nabago sa buhay ko nung makilala ko ang Diyos. I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

 

Kung may nabago sa buhay mo, ewan ko lang sayo. Yung ugali mo na manira sa Simbahan, patunay na sinungaling ka pa rin. Malakas lang loob mo na manira kapag di ka sinasagot. Kapag sinagot ka bahag din naman ang buntot. Lolz

 

[Jessa Herrera: sabihin mo sakin kung mismong may nabanggit na KATOLIKO sa bible ah ?? GOOD day .. and i repeat .. i dont need to stoop at your level .. CLOSE MINDED and PROFOUND ..]

 

Eh sira ka pala eh. Yung salitang KATOLIKO eh hango sa mga salitang Griyego na KATA at HOLOS kaya kung gusto mong mabasa eh dapat basahin mo sa Greek Bible, hindi sa English o Tagalog translation. Eto sabi sa Griyego:

 

Acts 9:31

ho men oun EKKLESIA KATA HOLOS ho ioudaia, kai galilaia, kai samareia echo eirene oikodomeo kai poreuomai ho phobos ho kurios kai ho paraklesis ho agios pneuma plethuno

 

EKKLESIA KATA HOLOS o CATHOLIC CHURCH sabi ng talata. Yung salitang CATHOLIC eh galing sa salitang KATA at HOLOS.

 

Origin of CATHOLIC Middle English catholik, from Middle French & Late Latin; Middle French CATHOLIQUE, from Late Latin CATHOLICUS, from Greek KATHOLIKOS universal, general, from KATHOLOU in general, from KATA by + HOLOS whole

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catholic

 

Kaya may CATHOLIC CHURCH sa bibliya. Binulag lang ng condom mata mo kaya hindi mo makita. lolz